DISCS AND PADS

[Khan229]

Hi, i have been quoted for over £1000 for both front and rear discs and pads by Audi. I see on Euro car parts they are much cheaper. Need advice if I should go to Audi or get it done myself? A couple of people said go to Audi and some said do it yourself, so kinda confused. I thought the best option would be to ask for advice in here. Also, if I was to get it done myself what brand of discs and pads I should go for? Thank you 

[jdragon]

The VAG specialist I go to (in fact the other garage I use too) both fit Pagid. 

I've used them on our cars for over a decade and never had any issues.

Fitted Brembo once because of availability but they didn't yield any noticeable benefit for the extra cost.

Edit: I fitted a set of Pagid discs and pads to my brothers BMW F30 a few weeks ago from ECP.

[Stevey Y]

5 hours ago, Khan229 said:

Hi, i have been quoted for over £1000 for both front and rear discs and pads by Audi. I see on Euro car parts they are much cheaper. Need advice if I should go to Audi or get it done myself? A couple of people said go to Audi and some said do it yourself, so kinda confused. I thought the best option would be to ask for advice in here. Also, if I was to get it done myself what brand of discs and pads I should go for? Thank you 

Hi best place to get brakes is eBay the front discs and pads for my A6 were from A-Z carparts and were £150 fitted them myself and they are just coming round to 80,000 mls going to replace them at 90,000 they still have a good five millimetre on the pads, just make sure you buy high carbon discs for the front the backs as in my case are Bosch all good and a sight cheaper than Euros, they always push Pagid as its their brand. You can't buy substandard pads as they all have to be E11 or E9 marked to be sold anywhere Europe.

Steve.

[jdragon]

Found it!

Post in thread 'Mintex or pagid' https://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/index.php?threads/mintex-or-pagid.175907/post-1723091

[Stevey Y]

12 hours ago, jdragon said:

Found it!

Post in thread 'Mintex or pagid' https://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/index.php?threads/mintex-or-pagid.175907/post-1723091

Hi Jon any thing printed by ECP is about as believable as Boris, please note the beter and best are all with the exception of Pagid made by TMG friction who supply all OEM pads/discs to the manufacturers, TMG own the branding for all major brake manufacturers they are massive and it was their lobbying that bought about the E.U. regulations and testing for E11/E9 Google it.

Steve.

[jdragon]

I must be lucky because 'Ive used Pagid for over a decade with not one issue.

Why are they not considered ok?

 

[RoyC]

4 hours ago, jdragon said:

I must be lucky because 'Ive used Pagid for over a decade with not one issue.

Why are they not considered ok?

 

They are OK, it's just a matter of preference.

[Stevey Y]

3 hours ago, jdragon said:

I must be lucky because 'Ive used Pagid for over a decade with not one issue.

Why are they not considered ok?

 

Hi over the last eighteen years I have used practically every type of disc/pad combination on the market I have actually used Pagid pads, as nearly all my cars have become a second skin after a year or so you tend to notice when something is not as you would wish I noticed yeah they stop ok but when pressed showed a slight fade tendency, if you bear in mind cab drivers live on their brakes they also wear a lot quicker, when I asked the local ECP why this was happening he suggested that I might want to upgrade to Brembo/Bosch as although they are twice the price would be more suitable for my type of use, any thing to do with ECP is suspect I have had at least two major bad experiences with them, one where they were selling EGR valves for MK4 Mondeos apparently Hella O.E., should have known when I picked the first one up as it wasn't even in a box which I questioned and the guy told me thats why they were cheap, by the time I was into my third valve that didn't work properly [couldn't even get it to code in], ECP refused to refund or give me another so I sent it to Ford at Daventry who came back a day later and said it was a fake, it had all the right casting numbers and the logo had been ground off, Ford were most keen to find out where I sourced the valve so I told them, funny thing is ECP withdrew the valves two days later so there was me £170.00 down so I bought a second hand valve from a low miler at the local breakers coded in first go and never gave a days trouble after that, the second was the HID fiasco my mate bought two Osram Night Breaker D1S that were stupidly cheap from them in the permanent sale they have on, I ran in to him one night as I was dropping his neighbour off, he was putting his car in the garage and stopped to talk, the first thing I said to him was I could smell burning and there was smoke coming out of the headlight, turns out the bulb had overheated and melted his headlamp, two days later Rogue traders did a program on fake bulbs and with trading standards did a bust on a lock up  not two miles from my local ECP outlet, beginning to stink, there was every make of HID bulb, Phillips, Osram,Lucas ALL FAKE and if you don't believe me the video is on youtube somewhere.

When you consider companies like Car Parts In motion who sell branded real parts with a guarantee exist why would you buy from ECP, like my rear discs and pads Bosch discs and Febi pads which have now done 50k and are still dandy at £130 the lot and the fronts VAG high carbon drilled discs with Don pads [TMG frictions house brand] £150 all in and currently at 80k, I rest my case, if any vehicle will murder brakes it will be a taxi.

Steve.

[jdragon]

I'll call the garages next week to see what brands they use these days, as most of their VAG parts come from TPS.

 

[Magnet]

Interesting Jon, but who funds the trial on your posted link?

With appreciation of being blown out of the water, it’s always been VAG pads for me ( bought at discount) - except one deviation - when the pads were changed back to VAG.

Obviously a personal view, but the efficiency of the braking systems of all other family cars are compared with the Audi, and rated to that being the top. 
Ferodo, Mintex, etc. (the industry standard at one time) are now bought-out brand names. 
No more responses from me on such topics! 
Kind regards,

Gareth.

[jdragon]

6 hours ago, Magnet said:

Interesting Jon, but who funds the trial on your posted link?

With appreciation of being blown out of the water, it’s always been VAG pads for me ( bought at discount) - except one deviation - when the pads were changed back to VAG.

Obviously a personal view, but the efficiency of the braking systems of all other family cars are compared with the Audi, and rated to that being the top. 
Ferodo, Mintex, etc. (the industry standard at one time) are now bought-out brand names. 
No more responses from me on such topics! 
Kind regards,

Gareth.

Who funds what? 

[jdragon]

On 8/5/2022 at 4:08 PM, Khan229 said:

Hi, i have been quoted for over £1000 for both front and rear discs and pads by Audi. I see on Euro car parts they are much cheaper. Need advice if I should go to Audi or get it done myself? A couple of people said go to Audi and some said do it yourself, so kinda confused. I thought the best option would be to ask for advice in here. Also, if I was to get it done myself what brand of discs and pads I should go for? Thank you 

I'll summarise, otherwise this thread may be more confusing:

Audi prices will always be more expensive, so unless there's a warranty concern, find a recommended indi and save yourself some money.

The "better and Best" from the list I posted are all made by TMG friction (apart from Pagid), so buy whichever brand suits your budget.

[Stevey Y]

7 hours ago, Magnet said:

Interesting Jon, but who funds the trial on your posted link?

With appreciation of being blown out of the water, it’s always been VAG pads for me ( bought at discount) - except one deviation - when the pads were changed back to VAG.

Obviously a personal view, but the efficiency of the braking systems of all other family cars are compared with the Audi, and rated to that being the top. 
Ferodo, Mintex, etc. (the industry standard at one time) are now bought-out brand names. 
No more responses from me on such topics! 
Kind regards,

Gareth.

Hi Gareth all VAG/BMW/MERCEDES/VAUXHALL/FORD/BENTLY all use pads from the TMG group, just because these companies have been bought out the only thing it realistically means is that the companies products have to conform to TMGs stringent product standards, just because its got a manufacturers logo on it and was produced by TMG in the first place why not have the same thing with DON/MINTEX/BOSCH/DELPHI for about half the price if not less, I feel sorry for people who have spent their life buying badge engineered boxes for silly money, when the facts are out there in plain sight on the internet for all with a hunger to educate themselves to do just that.

Most car producers when developing vehicles go round the parts supermarkets choosing whatever meets their needs and price, price criteria, No manufacturer makes their own parts other than engines/bodywork/interiors the rest is off the shelf I.E. brakes and pads these are manufacturers such as Bosch,ATE,TRW the pads for all of the callipers are the same for each manufacturer, there is only the odd anomaly to this such as A8 rear pads which were running two different suppliers for the rears one pad being about 2mm thicker but VAG got fed up with this so you could transpose each manufacturers pads but re adapt using VCDS to allow for the difference in the pads you had just fitted, brakes are a subject close to my heart as my life and the lives of my passengers depend on them being not just right but perfect along with the tyres, as I said I have tried pretty much every brand going and settled for what works, I have said before it won't matter how good/expensive your brake hardware is its pretty much useless if the brake fluid is old.

Steve